Side of Ham
7:39 Sun Aug 21
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Brenty, to run a hotel you need a degree, in restaurants you need a highly skilled team of chefs to run a decent one…..makes hairdressing look a bit silly….shame they don’t have the nouse to realise waiting on tables or serving the drinks is a key area to the whole experience working out well and getting regular customers….you however think people should just do these jobs….in other countries it is seen as an important part of the industry and are paid accordingly….no need to be the sharpest tool to see this….
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13 Brentford Rd
6:17 Sun Aug 21
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LOL.
Which part of Hairdressers are on commission and self employed are you struggling with Side?
Can't believe Mike has to explain to you that people don't need to be waited on to eat & drink, and that you have even used that argument.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you.
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Side of Ham
6:11 Sun Aug 21
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There’s more of a need to do that than a haircut though….like it or not hospitality is a big factor in our society yet it’s one of the worst paid hence jobs ain’t getting filled…..
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Mike Oxsaw
6:07 Sun Aug 21
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..."but everyone needs to eat and drink".
But they don't NEED to go out and get waited upon to meet either of those needs.
Sure, life would be fucking boring without socialising, but they don't NEED to socialise to either eat or drink.
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Side of Ham
4:24 Sun Aug 21
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So what Brenty….a lot of people don’t need a haircut but everyone needs to eat and drink…..there’s the market….yet they get paid less in favour of a vanity trip to the barbers….
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13 Brentford Rd
4:10 Sun Aug 21
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.....actually, 3 flaws, Hairdressers are skilled and have to train for 2 or 3 years and be certified.
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Mike Oxsaw
4:08 Sun Aug 21
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Waving a fifty pound note around and shouting "Oi! Over here, mate!" at the bar staff should be well good enough to get you decent service.
Can't see what the problem is.
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13 Brentford Rd
4:06 Sun Aug 21
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Only 2:flaws in your argument.
Hairdressers work on commission not a flat rate.
I haven't been a Hairdresser for 10 years and work in a college.
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Side of Ham
3:54 Sun Aug 21
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Well seeing as hospitality seems to be the biggest whine for getting jobs filled it should be a lot more. Like it is in other countries where going out or staying over is quite a big thing in their societies, some people even think getting a drink at a bar is more important than a haircut….the fact is you are wanting a service and many insist on wanting to socialise, so the business is there. People go out a lot more for drinks & meals over here than get their barnet chopped once a month, yet they expect more pay for less demand?
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13 Brentford Rd
3:25 Sun Aug 21
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Putting it into perspective it's not slave labour it's unskilled work. How much should a bar person, waitress / waiter, cleaner etc... be paid? They are on minimum wage or the Living wage which is not peanuts. No business can afford to pay unskilled workers big money. We may as well stop the planet now if so.
If you're going to start paying these people even more then why should I for example bother doing my job for a similar amount of salary to them? Can I have more too? Then the people above me and those above them and so on will expect more.
Unskilled always have the option of learning and up-skilling and getting better jobs, but you have to out there working in the first place to get those opportunities. That's the way the world has always worked.
The problem is not wages it's the cost of living, selfishness and greed.
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Side of Ham
3:10 Sun Aug 21
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Brenty the jobs to be filled are mainly the slave labour hospitality positions. The foreigners who did these jobs could just as well had a wake up call as to why they haven’t returned AND probably wanted to return home during the lockdowns. We ain’t as great as we think we are and the pay decides how valued the job is….if it doesn’t cover your bills you look elsewhere, as for the benefits types they were there prior to all this and we are really talking about people trying to keep their heads above line….if you are responsible and have responsibilities you try to strive for better paying jobs…..
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13 Brentford Rd
2:56 Sun Aug 21
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Covers the bills for foreign workers side. My job barely covers the bills. May be tough but work is good for your mental and physical well-being and creates prospects for better jobs too.
Benefits aren't supposed to be optional, it's embarrassing moronic and immoral that we're paying a million de-skilked losers to sit on benefits whilst we can't fill jobs that they deem beneath them and have to get foreigners to do them.
It also has a massive knock on effect in the money these people cost taxpayers, the Health & Housing sector and the strain and cost it puts in our infrastructure having to accommodate foreigners to fill these jobs.
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Kaiser Zoso
2:20 Sun Aug 21
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Scrap heap 2023 Soldo.
Happy New Year
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Side of Ham
1:39 Sun Aug 21
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Is it deluded? Or do these jobs not pay enough to cover the bills?
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13 Brentford Rd
1:34 Sun Aug 21
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Was made redundant recently but got another role in the college that I actually prefer. Wanted out of my old job for years so it worked out well for me and improves future job prospects too as more bows to my strings.
There's plenty of jobs but too many deluded lazy Brits with no qualifications or experience who think these jobs are beneath them and too much like hard work.
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Mr Kenzo
1:22 Sun Aug 21
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Soldo - Paid £5 for a pint of Staropraman at Sailsbury racecourse on Thursday, its not all bad
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Mike Oxsaw
12:50 Sun Aug 21
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Northern Sold 3:22 Sun Aug 21
I whole-heartedly recommend VR & early pension.
Never did me any harm - I even seem to have many hours more in my day than anybody intelligent can understand.
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Jim C
9:12 Sun Aug 21
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North. I was in Devon last week, noticed a similar thing.
In fact in one place we went in, the owner and his daughter were running the place themselves on a reduced menu and he was telling me he fears for the future.
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Northern Sold
3:35 Sun Aug 21
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Oh and when we eventually did get served... 4.00 a pint of St Austel tribute at the races... and 1.99 a pint of shipyard in town
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Northern Sold
3:32 Sun Aug 21
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Spent the weekend in Devon... Newton Abbot... job adverts everywhere... hospitality... half the bars in the town ... and the race course have adverts up... even the video screens in the racing could not get delivered as they did not have the staff.. perhaps they was all on here moaning...
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Northern Sold
3:22 Sun Aug 21
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It's amazing the prudent advice Mr Oxsnore gives on here... regarding employment... when he spends 22 hours a day on here... sign me up...
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